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Yoursay | 8:47AM Feb 28, 2014
YOURSAY 'And where do the Orang Asli fit in this logic of Isma?'
'World must recognise M'sia belongs to Malays'
Hopeless Govt: Ikatan Muslimin Malaysia (Isma) says the Malay civilisation is older than Angkor Wat and the Borobudur. What a clown you are.
Can you show proof of recent research showing that the Kedah Tua Malay civilisation in Lembah Bujang dates back to the 2nd Century BC, thus confirming that the civilisation there is older than archaeological and historical sites such as Angkor Wat in Cambodia and Borobudur in Indonesia?
Ace: Wow, what a super brilliant historian. In school, we were always told that the cradles of civilisation were based in the Tigris/Euphrates Valley, the Indus Valley and the Hwang Ho Valley. Now these Umno-sponsored 'historians' are rewriting world history.
RKR: If Malay civilisation is older than the Chinese, how come more than 90 percent of Malay words originated from Sanskrit, Latin, Arabic and a host of other old languages? Besides, a large part of Malay culture is synonymous with the Hindu-Buddhist-Sino culture.
Isma should not make foolish statements which are factually wrong. I am not sure if their 'revelation' can even convince the ordinary village folks.
Supercession: Resorting to pseudo-intellectual arguments to justify Umno hegemony hardly cuts it these days.
In the first place, if anyone is to be recognised as the original owners of the land, it will have to be the indigenous people whom Umno has infantalised, marginalised, oppressed and treated as almost animals without rights.
If we are to go by the constitution, then we are all equal owners of the land. Even delusional Umno-supported members of Isma, who claim to speak in the name of Islam but in fact sully it, have a place under the Malaysian sky, which is far from saying we all ought to worship them as masters, as much as these crazies would like us to.
CQ Muar: This brainless specimen make other Malays laugh at his sheer stupidity. For more than a century, we Malayans, now Malaysians, had never ventured to declare this country belongs solely to the Malays.
Isma's Abdul Rahman Dali must have just awaken from wrong side of the bed with such a statement, and even quoted a few countries to substantiate his ‘rationale’ or ‘logic’. Little did he realise that Malaya gained independence owing to the effort and pursuits of all - Malays, Chinese, Indians and others.
Mr KJ John: Tanah Melayu was named after the Malay seafarers; but ownership is no more than coastal occupation and the jump from 'Melayusia' to Malaysia is a very long leap of logic; which appears to exist in small quantities and doses in this Isma leader.
And where do the Orang Asli fit in all this logic?
Lim Chong Leong: So now the Malays predate the Orang Asli too? Why are they also referred to as Bugis, Javanese, etc, then? Is it because they came from these places even before the times of Borobudur and Angkor Wat?
NH Gong: This is very true - Malaya belongs to the real Malayans - the Jakuns, Senois, Negritos, Semelai, Mah Meri, Orang Asal, Orang Ulu. Will the rest of you please pack up and go back to wherever you came from?
I wish to nominate and vote for a new prime minister who is truly Malaysian - an Orang Asli.
Sali Tambap: And the Jews can claim that the land that is now Palestine belongs to them because it was the land belonging to the kingdom of the Hebrew kings thousands of years ago.
And according to this logic, England should expel all the non-English ethnicities, Germany will expel the Turks who make up nearly two million of its population, or France should expel the Arab population in their country instead of being equal citizens of the country.
I don't know why we give these people publicity. They should be ignored.
KR: The Bujang Valley does date back to the 2nd Century, however research has shown that it was a civilisation based on Hinduism and Buddhism. Is Abdul Rahman suggesting that the early Malays were Hindus and Buddhists? If so, then wouldn't they be 'real' bumiputeras?
His statement further suggests, to my understanding, that the Malay race suddenly appeared out of thin air and became the inspiration for other races. This shows how much is he lacking in intelligence.
I feel we need to have office bearers in NGOs carefully vetted to ensure we never have to endure such statements. Nonetheless, I believe if he can scientifically prove any one of his absurd claims, the world will stand up and agree that “Malaysia belongs to the Malays”.
Doc: Okay, if Isma's claim that Malaysia is for the Malays, then what about the Bidayuh, Dayak, Iban, Kadazan Dusun, Orang Asli, Melanau and other bumiputeras?
Will they also be relegated to ‘pendatang’ status like the Chinese, Indians and Indian Muslims? Care to elaborate, Isma? Also Isma, are Indian Muslims considered Malays or Indians or what?
Fair&Just: If this is the case, Malaysia should be divided into Malaya, Sabah and Sarawak and Malaysians (to be extinct soon) shall choose and decide to live in Malaya as Malays, in Sabah as Sabahans or in Sarawak as Sarawakians.
If such is the scenario, Sabah or Sarawak shall be my first choice.
Vgeorgemy: By this statement Isma seems to be encouraging or wanting Sabah and Sarawak to secede from Malaysia as Isma wants the world to recognise a Malaya only for Malays.
Umno’s long rule hasn’t produced any quality leadership to take the nation further away from bigotry and fascist thinking. I am so sad and angry in seeing such wastage in educational development by the Umno-led administration in the last 57 years.
Anonymous #40538199: Malaysia belongs to Malaysians. Nobody questions the special position of the Malays but the rights of all citizens, regardless of racial origin, must be recognised, protected and honoured.
Citizens must not be treated as ‘pendatang’ (immigrants) whether they are Malay or not. The government should not fund any group that does not recognise and respect the constitutional rights of all Malaysians.
Angel: Isma, according to our constitution, a Malay must be Muslim. Those civilisations you mention are before Islam came, hence they cannot be Malays by the same definition. Furthermore when a Kedah candi was torn down, why didn't Isma speak out against it?
Clearwater: Perhaps early humans did not migrate out of the Great Rift Valley in East Africa to populate the world, but out of Bujang Valley in Kedah.
Ancient civilisation dating back to 300 AD unearthed.
That was the headlines two days ago. Each time I read about discoveries of this nature I feel most intrigued. It amazes me to see how these ancient buildings, monuments, sites or statues can survive the test of time. Consider how the people of the past civilization would have lived. Imagine, No Saturday nights, no "Thank god it's Friday", no booze & No AIDS....but life was simple! Of course, they were lacking medical advancement, but people back then had limited wants and was just happy if they can meet their basic survival needs.
The Civilisation unearthed.
For the 2nd time within the same area, the Malaysian archaeologists have discovered atleast 30 ancient mounds, comprising structures like houses, clay brick walls & a Metal Workshsop dating back to approximately 1700 years ago. All of these discovered within a 3 square Kilometer area in a district called Merbok in the state of Kedah (in Malaysia). The previous excavation was at the foothill of Mount Jerai which uncovered structures, "chandi" and statues which could be described as principally religious in nature. Now, it is revealing some tell-tales of the lifestyles and activities of the people of that period.
Bujang Valley (Lembah Bujang)
The Bujang Valley is a sprawling historical site located in the foothills of Gunung Jerai. It is the richest archaeological area in Malaysia. Archaeological research indicates that an ancient Hindu-Buddhist kingdom ruled here as early as 300 AD. Relics of the kingdom found at the site and now on display at the Archaeological Museum include inscribed stone caskets and tablets, metal tools and ornaments, ceramics, pottery, and Hindu icons. More than fifty ancient tomb temples, called candi, have also been unearthed, many of which were built during the Bujang Valley civilization's heyday. Near the most impressive and well-preserved of these, in Pengkalan Bayang Merbok, is the Bujang Valley Archaeological Museum. It is open from 9.30am-5pm daily.
Gunung Jerai (1,200 meters) is the highest spot in the northern region of Peninsular Malaysia, and as such it has for millennia served as a landmark for seafaring traders. Myths and legends concerning this peak abound. One is of a 'king with fangs' who resided at the foothills of the mountain in the Bujang Valley, now known to be the site of Kedah's ancient kingdom.
These discoveries are pointing towards a new evidence that the "Bujang Valley civilisation" existed long before neighbouring empires such as Majapahit (1200 AD) and Sri Vijaya (700 AD). Research is being carried out by the University of Science, Malaysia (USM) to determine how advanced is this little known civilisation, known by various names such as "Kadaram", "Kidaram" or "Kataha".
What remains now to be seen are some remnants of this ancient society which includes temples, tablets and drainage channels which have been found across more than 300 sq km surrounding the "Gunung Jerai" (means Mount Jerai) which happens to be the highest peak in Peninsular Malaysia located at the northern region.
The archaeologists found a metal-smelting workshop replete with a network of furnace nozzles which was unearthed in an oil palm plantation in "Sungai Batu" (means Stone River). The system of metallurgy found here similarly resembles the techniques used in ancient India. There were also like ceramics, pots, bracelets and beads. "This is the first time that an advanced metal industry from such a period has been confirmed to have existed in this region",says Associate Prof Dr. Mokhtar Saidin from the Centre for Global Archaeological Research (CGAR) from the USM. He points out that they are gradually uncovering the remaining mounds which requires a lot of patience.
What pleases me is that the research is being conducted with a RM2.3 million ringgit. The CGAR is planning to develop the area into a heritage park with guided trail for the visitors. I am glad that money is being put to a worthy issue rather than on war. Just like the Lemuria or Kumari Kandam which has much story to tell, we hope it will be the same when the process of excavation is over.
Bujang Valley archaeological site has Sanskrit mantra inscriptions
The Cabinet is keen that research on the Bujang Valley archaeological site, where traces of a 2,000 year-old civilisation have been found, is furthered with an allocation under the 10th Malaysia Plan.
Information, Communications and Culture Minister Datuk Seri Utama Dr Rais Yatim said yesterday (6 July 2010) he is working on getting an as yet undetermined amount as there are significant cultural and economic prospects, including for tourism, at the area in Kedah.
“I have informed the Cabinet about this find and it is keen that the research is continued,” he added.
The Sun reported on March 28 that Malaysian archaeologists had unearthed a monument dated 110 AD – the oldest man-made building recorded in South-east Asia – in Sungai Batu, Kedah.
Built with geometrical precision, the monument wasfound surrounded by remnants of advanced iron smelting facilities equipped with furnaces as well as brick jetties built along a river bank.
Rais stressed that the Bujang Valley is now set to take its place in history along a timeline earlier than that of major historic sites in the region like Angkor Wat (11th century AD) and Borobodur (8th century AD).
“If indeed the Sungai Batu find in the Bujang Valley factually revisits the civilisation that existed in the 1st century AD, then the history of this country will almost certainly have to be re-written in its proper civilisational context,” he stressed.
Rais said this while officiating at the ‘International Conference on Bujang Valley and Early Civilisation in South-east Asia’ at the Royale Chulan Hotel here. Also present were Heritage Commissioner Datuk Prof Emeritus Zuraina Majid and USM’s Centre for Global Archaeology Research (CGAR) Dr Mokhtar Saidin.
The three-day conference, organised by the National Heritage Department and USM, features 24 foreign scholars from Indonesia, Cambodia, Myanmar, Laos, Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines, China, India, USA and the UK.
The main focus of the gathering is the 4sq km area at Sungai Batu that has presented 97 new sites of the Bujang Valley civilisation. Thus far only 10 have been excavated. (The total number of sites found in Bujang Valley, around Gunung Jerai mountain, since the 1840s now comes up to 172.)
Rais noted that there had been earlier emphasis on the Bujang Valley as an Indianised outpost, with its strong Hindu-Buddhist influences from 6th to 12th century AD.
“Knowing that some mantra inscriptions have also been found in the course of their (archaeologists) research I do hope that the Sanskrit mantra will serve as a lingual window to our past,” he added.
“I take a special interest myself in this area as Bahasa Melayu and Bahasa Indonesia are presently strewn with a massive array of Sanskrit words,” he said.
“With sites such as the Bujang Valley in Kedah and the Lenggong Valley (pre-historic finds) in Perak, the world will beat a straight path to our doorstep, to visit our rich cultural sites,enriching immensely or national identity and tourist industry,” he added.
He said he had also instructed his ministry to give necessary funding required for the research and development of the site.
Tahun ini 2014, genap 5 tahun penemuan dan ekskavasi pertama di Kompleks Sungai Batu oleh Pusat Penyelidikan Arkeologi Global (PPAG), Universiti Sains Malaysia.
Sehingga kini, 9 Feb 2014, 46 (47%) daripada 97 tapak yang ditemui semasa pemetaan 2007 telahpun diekskavasi. Kesemua 97 tapak tersebut berada dalam keluasan sekitar 4 km2. Berikut adalah dapatan terbaru di Sungai Batu daripada 46 tapak tersebut, iaitu:
1. Bila? Usia (pentarikhan)
Sungai Batu telah mula digunakan sejak kurun ke-5 Sebelum Masihi, berterusan, daripada semasa ke semasa, sehingga kurun ke-17 Masihi, iaitu selama 2200 tahun. Ini mengesahkan Kompleks Sungai Batu adalah tamadun tertua di rantau ini.
2. Untuk Apa? Fungsi
Ekskavasi 2009-2013- telah mengkaji 46 tapak dalam keluasan sekitar 0.2km yang mendedahkan pelbagai fungsi yang jelas menunjukkan sebuah tamadun.
Satu (1) tapak ritual (penyembahan) di kelilingi oleh 5 senibina dewan.
Sepuluh (10) tapak jeti di kedua-dua tebing Sungai Batu Kuno- menggambarkan sebuah pelabuhan
Tujuh belas (17) tapak peleburan besi.
Selebihnya, 13 tapak senibina bangunan sokongan (bangunan pentadbiran) yang semunya terletak di bahagian barat pelabuhan Sungai Batu kuno.
Sejak 5 tahun yang lalu, disamping staf dan pelajar USM, kajian juga melibatkan masyarakat setempat sebagai pembantu di lapangan. Pada masa ini 11 pekerja tempatan sedang dilatih dalam program khas USM “Program Pemindahan Ilmu” di mana mereka didedahkan secara berfokus kepada arkeologi dan industri yang berkaitan dengannya seperti arkeopelancongan dan kraf tangan.
Untuk peringkat Sekolah Menengah, USM telah mengadakan program Sahabat@Arkeologi yang kini telah melibatkan 11 sekolah menengah di Pulau Pinang dan Kedah. Di bawah program ini, guru dan pelajar didedahkan kepada arkeologi melalui pameran di sekolah dan USM, seminar, ceramah dan juga terlibat dalam sukarelawan arkeologi di mana mereka didedahkan aktiviti di Sungai Batu.
Untuk peringkat USM, mulai 2013, USM telah mengadakan satu program khas “Archaeological Talk” oleh pakar-pakar arkeologi peringkat antarabangsa. Tahun 2013, dua ceramah yang melibatkan pakar daripada Pakistan dan Jerman telah diadakan. Program ini terbuka kepada semua malah Sahabat@Arkeologi juga telah menyertainya.
Untuk tahun ini, 2014, semua program di atas akan berterusan. Satu program baru akan bermula tahun ini iaitu “JOM CARI KEDAH TUA” yang diusahakan oleh Kerajaan Negeri Kedah sendiri. Program pertama akan bermula daripada 28 Feb -1 Mac ini. Ini adalah satu program sukarelawan yang akan mendedahkan peserta kepada bukti Kompleks Sungai Batu.
Untuk semua, PPAG mengalu-alukan mana-mana individu dan kumpulan/agensi yang mahu terlibat sama dalam bentuk sukarelawan arkeologi di Sungai Batu.
Sila hantar surat kepada:
Pusat Penyelidikan Arkeologi Global
USM, 11800 PPinang.
KOMPLEKS SUNGAI BATU: FUNGSI
13 Tinggalan Senibina Pusat Pentadbiran di Kompleks Sungai Batu. Semuanya terletak di bahagian barat pelabuhan kuno Sungai Batu. Ianya sebuah kompleks pengurusan kepada pelabuhan kuno tersebut. Empat daripada bangunan ini berusia kurun ke-5 Sebelum Masihi.
Senibina Ritual/Penyembahan yang di kelilingi senibina dewan. Mempunyai tangga naik yang mengadap ke utara, yang juga lokasi Gunung Jerai. Usia monumen 110 Masihi. Usia, turutan senibina, arah naik mencadangkan asal fungsinya ialah untuk upacara ritual penyembahan Gunung Jerai- iaitu kepercayaan animisma- penyembahan alam semulajadi- satu agama nenek moyang zaman dahulu kala.
Senibina Jeti tepi Sungai Batu Kuno. Sehingga kini telah dibuka 10 jeti di kedua tebing Sungai Batu Kuno. Ini mencadangkan ianya sebuah pelabuhan yang sangat sebok pada ketika itu.
Pusat Peleburan Besi di Kompleks Sungai Batu. Sehingga kini 17 tapak peleburan besi telah dikaji. Bukti menunjukkan besi mula dilebur di Kompleks Sungai Batu sejak kurun ke-4 Sebelum Masihi.